Board Thread:Off Topic/@comment-4952704-20151027074419/@comment-4050367-20151028015737

PART ONE

I've been working on this in parts for the last 5 hours. It's a lot of information to take in. Just... give me a sec to take it all in. But first, #ProjectReinvention ... I like the sound of that.

This thread is obviously both a response to my thread, and pent-up frustrations in general. It's refreshing to see people taking action themselves, as I have asked for the last two years.

Bureaucrats

So.... did you not realize that Brian has been a bureaucrat since January 13, 2013, when Roads promoted him due to a need for another bureaucrat other than him? He isn't being promoted to a bureaucrat, he IS a bureaucrat. He's on the proposal to fufill the role of two bureaucrats, to prevent another scenario in which a bureaucrat is needed and none are there. As I said before, for the time being Brian and I fit the role of bureaucrat, at least until I go. There is NO RUSH to get another bureaucrat, so that discussion does not need to even happen today.

In regard to admins. I said either Sub or Ulti would likely be the new bureaucrat, because both will have had experience as an admin, and would be the only pre-Fall Change admins remaining. With potentially Yopo, Toon, Ahmad, and/or others joining soon, it is my personal gut feeling that they need to be administrators for a while, get the experience, get the skills, and then maybe in the later part of 2016 onwards be a bureaucrat. But I trust Sub and Ulti. I personally lean towards Ulti, but I think if Sub was the necessary choice, he could do it. One final thing to bring up regarding bureaucrats is that the only extra ability they have is to promote admins. I don't necessarily believe that bureaucrat = head or leader of the Community Team, though some people might take it that way.

Sub

So your big push is the demotion of Sub. You acknowledge that he is a good wiki admin, but you express concern over how he treats individuals. This is honestly a matter of taste. Sub described his admin-ing perfectly: "I don't really think it's that important to make friends (or enemies for that matter) when you're an admin. Really, it's more about making sure the wiki is all nice and safe." Now think what you think about the first half of his comment, but you clearly can see that he considers the role of being admin as a maintainer, a person who makes sure that the wiki itself is good.

On the other hand, you have an admin like myself, who focuses more on the community rather then the wiki. My style of being an admin tends to lean towards wiki events, being with users, having discussions, etc. Look, not everyone is 50/50 in wiki focus and community focus. Sub is good at what he does, and what he does is wiki management. Dealing with the community, community events and user issues may not be his forte, but he specializes in something and does a good job at it. As a matter of fact, he's the only admin in recent months to push for wiki cleanup. Just think about that.

So your suggestion for a new Community Team is

Ulti (Bureaucrat) --- Brandon

Yopo - Toon

Mig - Bry

and

Jack --- Sub

Echo --- Ahmad

This proposal obviously can't go into affect ASAP, since after all I'm still here and intend to keep my rights for my remaining months. But this is quite the proposal for the Community Team AFTER I'm gone. Keep this in mind for a discussion next year.

Maybe this is the dream team of the future. But the team will have to come in parts. So for example, say Yopo and Toon became admins via my proposal (revised from current version). That'd be two steps towards this version. Then, Ulti theoretically becomes a bureaucrat while Brian is demoted by the time I leave, or around the time I leave. That's another step. My point is, in my proposal, it's a step towards a new team, and a new era. That's really all I can say.