Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-5486221-20160803133231/@comment-28063203-20160824235247

Aaronbill3 wrote: it implies he's weaker because not only could OS Vilgax 1v1 Ben with ease, but also Kevin 11, Tetrax, and any other oncomers without the need for armour, shields, etc. New threats don't just show up. It's not like DBZ/DBS where new villains will come from any unturned rock just to be stronger to top the hero's new level of strength. It implies that Vilgax is no longer capable of holding his own in a fight, and that he needs new gear to keep up. It also implies that Ben's lack of skill was the only thing giving Vilgax the upper hand (which would always be true to an extent) but my problem is I can't imagine AF Vilgax at the same level as OS Vilgax. It just isn't as impressive when you have an Elder Scrolls inventory worth of gear to back you up.

Sure he has accomplished more now, but with what new powers? Squid forms, Flight, Optic Blasts, and Wind Breath to name a few. It was just more impressive to see Vilgax beet Ben senseless when he didn't have those powers. It's the difference between Batman beating the Hulk 1v1, and Superman beating the Hulk 1v1.

Also he didn't conquer those ten worlds between OS and AF. He was always a warlord, and likely conquered most of those planets pre-OS Vilgax in OS had used steroids, what do you mean that he didn't "beet" Ben senseless? Sure he had new powers, but in OS he did use steroids, was cybernetichally enhanced (which gave him all of his powers in OS), and Ben was 10 years old and barely knew his aliens well compared to later series. In UAF he wasn't cybernetically enhanced and didn't take his booster steroids, but sure he had his new gear.

OS Vilgax didn't have much equipment, but he sure did not have any of those powers showcased in OS and didn't fight "senselessly" to begin with. If we were to compare pre-OS vs AF, I'd still think Vilgax in AF would win.