Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-4969948-20160715192923/@comment-4050367-20160715223550

Okay two problems I have immediately with this thread regarding this topic:
 * 1) An admin is the one who posted the thread calling for it, rather then letting one of the community members who noted this make the thread
 * 2) This thread likely wouldn't have existed at the present moment if the Johnny Mac situation never escalated. If that had never happened, I'm not sure this thread would have been made.

Alright, let me throw in my few cents. I think this is the culmination of a series of very unfortunate events. When I demoted myself, I did it at the end of May because I thought that you four current admins were united as a team, and would stick together. However in-fighting has occurred instead.

Let's break it down to these two issues:
 * 1) Inactiveness & Responsibilities:
 * 2) The 1st and 4th points are in regard to the YoU blog and Fanon Con. Now, as a person who has been inactive and lacked in responsibilities admittedly, I'm going to have to agree: this is a legit reason for demotion. Inactivity is the reason why several of the old 2010-2011 admins were demoted, including Roads, one of our wiki's first leaders. If Toon signed up for Fanon Con, he should have done it and he does have a responsiblity to make the blog. So I agree on those points.
 * 3) User Treatment:
 * 4) The 2nd and 5th points are a direct result of the Johnny Mac thing, and I'll comment on that. Yes Toon, he's your brother I get it. But he should be treated like all the other users on here. Rules are rules. I get it, you're defensive of family. But I kinda agree on the point of treating Johnny like any other user, and blocking him.
 * 5) As for the in-fighting: We can't really comment on the "conspired against some of the stuff" part because we don't know the full extent. However, regardless of what it is, here's how I feel about this. I think the admins need a good case of Dr. Phil therapy. You guys have issues you need to work out. I'm going to be honest: I think the demotion suggestion is rash. You commented that "personal issues get in the way of his judgement". Well, I'd take a hard look in the mirror and see if that also applies to yourselves.
 * 6) Your argument about inactivity and responsibility is a lot stronger in terms of argument, whereas the ones about his brother and in-fighting seems more personal and emotionally-based. Guys, back in 2013 when Paper, Sub, and Nick were admins with me, I might not have always agreed with them, but we never let stuff like this happen.
 * 7) I don't know what's been said, I don't know what wounds exist. But you guys need to work this out. A demotion needs to seriously be considered if it's the best choice, and should not just be because you get along better with one user than another.
 * 8) So what to do about this issue? You need to talk things out. And by talk things out, I don't mean argue and don't get hot-heated. You guys have to go BEYOND emotions, and you have to be willing to say that you're wrong when you're right. I would do anything and everything, even if it meant making myself look inferior to get things resolved and to prevent less damage,e and you need to be willing to do the same. When you guys talk, please no ganging up. I'm saying this because its a two-admin vs. one admin issue, that's a fact. It's two admins saying one admin needs to go. Ulti needs to get involved in this as well. Ulti needs to have a say before ANY DECISION is made. Yes, the community needs to speak as well, but Ulti needs to get the facts and voice his opinion.
 * 9) Actions can speak louder then words. But guys, Toon is not a malicious person. He cares, and he does love this place. Does he need to be more active? Yes. Does he need to be more involved? Yes. These are legit criticisms, ones that I have even stated I am guilty of. But do not disregard his words.
 * 10) To the Users Involved:
 * 11) Toon, apologize to Mig. Get more involved and PLEASE get the blog out. Let the other admins deal with your brother. I'm sorry, but I agree on that. You can't let him slide just because he is your brother. If CaT became admin, I'd expect the same thing with Tabby.
 * 12) Mig, apologize to Toon. Let the Johnny Mac issue pass, rebuild your relationship with him. Because I know in the heat of the moment things get out of hand, I recommend writing your words to Toon before-hand when you're in a calmer and less emotional state.
 * 13) You both still care about each other. You both don't want to lose each other's friendship. I hope that you can put all this drama aside and work together.

So let me be clear. Yes, I do this suggestion, but here's why:
 * 1) The Johnny Mac Situation has gotten all sides tense and hot-headed
 * 2) There's no precedent for such a drastic option and the impact of such a demotion could affect both community relations and user friendship relations.
 * 3) As far as I can tell, no one has attempted at resolving issues. It's just bicker, bicker, disagreement, disagreement, argue, argue, demotion.

However:
 * 1) I agree that Johnny Mac should have kept his original punishment and that Toon should not be involved in chat bans/blocks
 * 2) Inactivity & failure to address responsibilities is a good reason to question whether a user should be admin or not.
 * 3) At least Toon is working on the Year of Unity blog, regardless of whether or not it is late. This is a deadline problem, but problems can be fixed.

Finally, I am friends with all the admins and CaT. I care about all of them and hate to see them suffering with in-fighting. I'm not Pro-Toon. I'm not Pro-Mig. I'm a guy who doesn't want his faith in the admins shattered. I'm a guy who wants the drama to end and would like to see the same four admins come out better and stronger.