Board Thread:Ben 10 Discussion/@comment-39940763-20190626103925/@comment-25942561-20190907011626

Sure, we can say Alien X is stronger than Fourarms. Being able to rewrite reality and do anything beats being buff and having four arms.

But how do you quantify something like Toepick? It beats 99% of everything, and does nothing to the remaining 1%.

Then you've got some of the wilder Hax abilities out there in fiction. Who says one hax ability beats another? Can a guy immune to reality manipulation kick the butt of a reality manipulator? Toepick could scare pretty much anyone into submission except Wildmutt, so does that put Wildmutt above everyone Toepick could scare? Clockwork could use a Time Ray to age Humongosaur into dust, but that doesn't make him physically stronger than Humongosaur.

This is why Hax abilities - something that lets a weak character beat a stronger character through something a little bit cheaty like Durability Negation, Possession, Soul-Stealing, the removal of a conceptual attribute like your energy or intelligence or speed, turning you into a dice/playing card/doll, Battlefield Removal, or Sleep Inducement followed by Dreambending - usually aren't taken into consideration when arguing over who the strongest character is. We analyze canon feats, statements, destructive power, durability, strength, etc for this sort of thing because it's more reliable than trying to argue back and forth on what would happen if Okuyasu Nijimura and Vanilla Ice from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure fought and tried to use their space-erasing powers on each other at the same time. Sure, that Stand-using Baby from part 3 is on a short list of characters who theoretically could manage to actually kill Ultimate Kars under the right conditions. But 999 times out of 1000, I don't see this literal baby taking on this parody of evolution and winning.