Board Thread:Administrator Discussion/@comment-4139585-20141201214729/@comment-4050367-20141207143512

Paperluigi ttyd wrote: That is kind of a tl;dr sorry.

Honestly, the solution to "we need to ban fewer people" shouldn't be "give people more warnings before they get banned", in fact it should be the exact opposite. The warn-kick-ban system that admins are supposed to use currently is very strict and consistent, and it's harder to take advantage of. For example, in your proposed system, users get several warnings that only stay with them for short periods of time before they get kicked and banned. In this system, they can easily spam several times, then stop for a week to have their warning abdicated, then just go back to spamming for a week. Under the current system, a user can spam no more than twice before getting kicked.

It's also relevant to add that there is nothing wrong with the current system. Our goal for 2015 should not be to block 0 users, it should be to make sure that we only block the users who truly deserve it. We also could better spend our time addressing other issues, such as admin roles. Sorry about the tl'dr thing, I had typed this up a long type ago lol.

I get your point about the current warning system, but two things: first, did you even look at the ban length system (which we actually don't have a system for that we just decide on a ban while doing it at the moment)? I would think something like Harassment deserves an initial ban of three days compared to something like advertising which deserves more like two hours for an initial ban.

Second: I would disagree on the goal not being to block 0 users. We should try to make that a reality, as best as we can. Sure if there's a user who after everything just needs to be blocked, then block him. But we should try to be doing things BEFORE that happens. Try to take measures to promote this wiki as a friendly and collabrative place to write fan fiction, and make sure that we drive this message and our rules into the minds of our users to make sure that we don't have to block. 0 might be unrealistic sure, but we should at least make an attempt to go below 67 blocks in a year (which is our current total).

Third: Yes we should address admin roles but #4 clearly stated there could be other topics, and this is one I brought up. So techincally we can discuss this still. k i'm done