Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-24351229-20140921012959/@comment-4050367-20140921131510

I've actually been waiting for this message for about.... *counts fingers* the entire freaking year? Yeah.


 * 1) Topic 1
 * 2) Like Paper said, IRL happens. The fact is, the 2010-2012 users (who are by far the most well known and popular) are getting older. Which means they're having harder classes, busier schedules, and more complicated lives. I'm really surprised that everyone who joined in 2010 hasn't left yet honestly. The fact is: users are going to leave soon, and it will suck. Trust me. But we can't escape that. As users become adults and move on with their lives, they won't have time for BTFF. We all will have to say goodbye eventually. Now as for getting users on the wiki: First off, promoting other wikis is reason to get blocked on many wikis, fanfiction.net says you can't as part of its TOS:
 * 3) D. You agree not to use the Website for any commercial use, without the prior written authorization of FanFiction.Net. Prohibited commercial uses include any of the following actions taken without FanFiction.Net's express approval:
 * 4) sale of access to the Website or its related services on another website;
 * 5) use of the Website or its related services for the primary purpose of
 * 6) gaining advertising or subscription revenue;
 * 7) the sale of advertising, on the FanFiction.Net website or any third-party website, targeted to the content of specific User Submissions or FanFiction.Net content;
 * 8) and any use of the Website or its related services that FanFiction.Net finds, in its sole discretion, to use FanFiction.Net's resources or User Submissions with the effect of competing with or displacing the market for FanFiction.Net, FanFiction.Net content, or its User Submissions.
 * 9) Same thing for DeviantArt:
 * 10) " to sell access to the Service on any other website or to use the Service on another website for the primary purpose of gaining advertising or subscription revenue other than a personal blog or social network where the primary purpose is to display content from deviantART by hyperlink and not to compete with deviantART."
 * 11) Besides, DeviantArt is a bad idea imo. DeviantArt does not like us, as established multiple times in multiple cases where we have users on there come to our wiki and vandalise pages because a person (who may not even be active anymore and made the page in 2011) used a picture of there's. DON'T. GO. TO. DEVIANTART. TO. PROMOTE.
 * 12) "Even people who willing just to make 25 edits and simply chat to us all day." < -- No. Also Ren, how active have you really been this year? Because by the looks of it, you've been inactive for a month. And then in some months, you'll be active and made lots of edits on one day, then a bit on the second, and go three days without editing before you repeat. Just saying.
 * 13) Topic 2
 * 14) People have said "new main page", but they don't do anything because they expect someone else will do it for them. Simply: Go design a new look for the Main page, show it to us, and vote for it and if it passes, the main page will look better. DON'T SIT ON YOUR BUTTS.
 * 15) Topic 2.5
 * 16) The reason the names of the series are in the template is because 1) It says that the following series is in this Earth-#. and 2) If a person wants to add their series to a unused Earth-# on the template, they understand how to do it. Its easier I think then having newer users add an Earth-#. I can just see confusion and issues with that. But I get your point.
 * 17) Topic 3
 * 18) Eww. Eww. I don't like this topic. Well... I'm going to use tough love for this one.
 * 19) First: The reason why you probably won't become admin is because you seem to focus on something for a while, and then drop out of existence. This happened with the Newspaper, with you working on the main page, etc. Its happened before, and I'm sorry to say it doesn't help you in your case. Also being an administrator is not just saying "I'm going to add new emoticons or update a main page". Its about communicating with users, feeling what they feel, trying to make the wiki safe, happy, and trouble-free. You have to be hard on vandals, and spammers, and you can't always be :D :D :D :D. Are you ready, to have to tell your friends that you have to ban them because they broke a rule on chat? Are you willing to risk your friendships by following the rules and blocking them for a week, because they used profanity? Because that can happen. It doesn't happen a lot, but it can. Also: How long you've been on doesn't mean you should be an admin. Yopo has been longer then anyone else, but he's not admin. Just saying.
 * 20) As for your case about inactiveness: School. Are you telling me you don't have school? Because let's face it: Most of us Ren are mid-late high school I'm guessing. I might be wrong, but that's what I'm guessing. We have sports (maybe/maybe not); clubs; projects; family life; vacations, homework, dates?? (idk); advanced classes; jobs; etc. People are busy because it is Fall, and its the school year. We can't be active at 11-4 PM EDT on chat because who is going to be on when most people are at school? (looking at you Ulti and Ahmad). I still check the wiki, but I'm not "EDIT EDIT EDIT DELETE DELETE COMMENT COMMENT MUST GET THE BADGES CHAT TO REN ON CHATURN EDIT EDIT... ". We're semi-active, which is basically what everyone is at this point. Face it.
 * 21) Ahmad is a chatmod. In fact, a month ago I told Paper that we need one or two new chat mods. So in a way, I helped Ahmad get promoted. Brandon's demotion is here: "16:43, March 22, 2014 NickFusi0n (wall | Contribs | Block) changed user rights for User:Brandon 10 from Chatmod to None (Admin Decision. Reason: Not taking thing seriously; Intimidating behavior)". Now this was one of Nick's final actions as an administrator, so excuse me if I'm cautious on giving back rights to a demoted user. As for Steve... does he even want it? Like I don't know if he really even cares. I need good reasons why Steve and Brandon should be promoted Ren. Not just who needs to.
 * 22) Stripes is already an admin on the Planet. I'm not even sure if he wants to be admin on both Ben 10 wikis.
 * 23) " While I have been slowly coming in doubt of our need to more Admins, I believe we need an Admin who is more into the technical side, like coding and templates. We only have one Paper, after all." < -- I'm taking a Web Design course this year for this very reason. Just saying.
 * 24) Take this into consideration. Sub, Lego, Paper, and I are all admins. 4. You want a fifth? Unless one of us says "I'm done" and leaves the wiki, a new admin? Yeah... I really doubt it.

I think you guys have heard enough.