Board Thread:Ben 10 Discussion/@comment-39940763-20190626103925/@comment-25942561-20190911120331

You can look at an alien's strength individually while still taking into account that having the Hax Ability to beat an alien stronger than you doesn't actually make you stronger than that alien. "More Powerful", maybe. "More useful", maybe. But Stronger?

To put this another way... Jury Rigg probably couldn't beat Fourarms in a fair fight. But Jury Rigg could easily disassemble a powerful enemy robot strong enough to give Fourarms trouble. That doesn't make JR stronger than Fourarms, it just means his Hax Ability is very useful when fighting robots. Furthermore, Jury Rigg could disassemble a lot of things, and then create a Chronosapien Time Bomb out of the parts, using it to destroy all timelines and alternate realities except for the one he's currently in. But this wouldn't make him physically stronger than every other alien out there in every other timeline and alternate reality he could erase by doing this, it'd just mean he could erase them all if he wanted to.

Hax abilities... They're things that are hard to quantify. Situational things, usually. You can quantify how strong Heatblast's fire attacks are, and how fast XLR8 can move, and figure out that Heatblast could beat Zuko but XLR8 couldn't beat The Flash. We can even figure out how Dio's Time-Stop and Diavolo's Time Skip works, and figure out whether a character can beat them or not based on whether they can get around this ability or not. But how do you quantify "So scary-looking he terrifies everyone into submission"? Who's to say whether a character with a great deal of willpower could resist this or not? I guess you could look at what we've seen Pesky Dust do in dreams, then compare that to what other fictional dream-manipulators have done to figure out whether he'd beat other dreambender characters in fights. I don't think we've ever seen PD fight another dreambender, come to think of it. But how do you quantify an ability entirely outside the realm of combat, like Daniel J d'Arby from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and his "If I beat you in any game, I get your soul" ability?

A list of who the strongest aliens are should focus on which aliens are physically strongest. You know, who could lift the most and punch the hardest.

Cheap Trick from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure could beat pretty much anyone in Ben 10 without Celestialsapien interference(or maybe Gwen using magic), but that doesn't make its user Masazo Kinoto physically stronger than the entire Ben 10 verse.